TheLegendaryNAS

PurdueDoubleE

Not to nitpick or anything, but this is at least the second time you've pulled this idiotic line. Why exactly would Creationists be pissed at an example of evolution within a species?

TheLegendaryNAS

Because creationists don't believe in evolution?

severedconnection

I wonder if this is in an area where they have contact with people.
It'd be kind of funny if they learned this habit from seeing humans.

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PurdueDoubleE

Some of them do?

TheLegendaryNAS

*Sigh* (Puts face in hand) Yes, some do. Lighten up, PDE.

mthed4

i guess if its in a place so underdeveloped that the people still hunt with spears.

h2oski1326

Not necessarily true.

"Ignorance, the root and the stem of every evil." ~ Plato

TheLegendaryNAS

Fine! I know that! Jesus Christ, shut up everyone! God, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. What the hell is the problem with people here? Being to utight and politically correct?

PurdueDoubleE

Maybe your repeated assholish (and fairly ignorant) remarks about Creationists? Maybe, just once, you should have put enough thought into a post to type more than one sentence of your own thoughts.

mthed4

maybe if the idea of creationism werent so annoying and ignorant, he wouldnt give them shit?

PurdueDoubleE

It only seems ignorant if you yourself are ignorant about Creationism, or just obnoxiously elitist about your own views.

TheLegendaryNAS

Please enlighten us then...

TheLegendaryNAS

PurdueDoubleE

Wow, I didn't reply in 3 minutes. I must have no response.

There are many varieties of Creationism, and many of them do in fact acknowledge natural selection (since it's basically been demonstrated and therefore proven fairly robustly). They simply maintain that natural selection is insufficient to explain the existence of life in the first place. The real battle is not Creation vs Evolution, it's Creation vs Abiogenesis.

TheLegendaryNAS

(shrugs) I can see that. However, that does not change the fact that I was merely making a joke, even if in your opinion it was a lousy one.

PurdueDoubleE

I only said something because you made the exact same joke not long ago, and were already called out on it. Take a hint.

stathmk

I've never met this student named "TheLegendaryNAS," but I'm going to stand up for his idea because I do know about arrogant Creationists. First of all, 400 to 600 years ago, a man with a name like Ussler or Usher read passages in the Bible and explained why he thought that the Earth will be 6,000 years old in 1996. Although not all creationists believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old, I have met some Purdue Students who think that the Earth is only that old. Some creationists say that the bones of dinosaurs are fake, that dinosaurs lived alongside humans until Noah's Ark, or that the Loch Ness Monster and dragons from folklore are species that are 6,000 years old.

If you believe in Noah's Ark instead of Evolution, then what's going through your brain? Noah's Flood was based on King Utnapishtim from The Gilgamesh Epic. However, the Babylonians or Sumerians wrote that they believed that kings died at ages above 1,000 years (It's kind of like Methuselah being listed as 969 years old and I don't believe it.), and that the Earth is 456,000 years old (If I remember correctly) in their tablets instead of 6,000. Another difference is that Utnapishtim brought along his pilot and men from each trade.

If you believe in Adam, Eve, and the apple, I think that you should know that Gilgamesh's friend Enkidu is very much like Adam. Enkidu walked around naked and played with the animals like Adam. Enkidu was depicted as strong like Samson, the husband of Delilah. Instead of Eve giving Adam some apples, I've heard that the Gods send this strange lady with too much perfume after Enkidu, he falls for the plan, and the animals don't like him anymore. This made Enkidu cursed or sinful (But I don't think that was the word that they used), and if he wasn't already mortal then it made him mortal.

People that aren't religious believe in following the 10 Commandments, however they believe that the 10 Commandments were already written, or they believe that they weren't written by God or Moses. I'm only mentioning a historian's theory that Moses lived earlier and was a Hyksos Prince named Tuthmoses, or Thothmoses. The documentary was called "The Exodus Decoded." I haven't seen it, but it sounds interesting and I don't know if I believe it. Maybe I could think of 10 reasons why I agree with this Hyksos theory and 10 of why I don't. It's a long story.

Here's something similar to your article. Chimpanzees used hammers 4,300 years ago.

Intelligent Design has a hidden agenda that the Intelligent Designer is the God of Judaism or Christianity, instead of Islam, Deism, Thor, Odin, Isis, Osirus, Zeus, Neptune, a Hindu God, Quetzalcoatl, or others. Over a year ago, there were fliers in Cary Hall for the Pastafarian spaghetti dinner where we talked about Intelligent Design VS Evolution with the other guys on the floor. Pastafarianism is the parody of Intelligent Design where a noodle-licious anomaly named "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" taught nutrition, created midgets, pirates, Earth, Heaven, and Scientific confusion. The story is that Heaven for Pastafarian pirate men has a beer volcano and a stripper factory. It was hilarious for a while.

PurdueDoubleE posted an hour ago that "There are many varieties of Creationism..." I also agree that there are many varieties of Creationism.

The rest of this is pretty much word for word from part of my letter to a friend on Thursday when we were talking about the Francis Collins convocation:

The "Dr. Dino" Kent Hovind from Florida has a creation web site with some sloppy ideas and a defunct Creationist Park. He's now in prison for tax evasion. I already knew that he owes over a $1 million and that he would eventually end up in prison. A few days ago, the audio of his phone calls from prison to his lawyer and wife were put up on Youtube. These phone calls show his warped way of thinking. I don't know what his problem is, so draw your own conclusion about whether you think that Hovind is a sociopath or didn't get a good education. He also has a counterfeit diploma that he bought from a diploma mill; so I don't know if he was too naive to know it was fake or if he just lies.

I found a hilarious video on the internet of Hovind and Evolutionists debating Ali G. One reason why that video is funny is because I can remember from elementary school when kids wrote stories about winning $999,999,999,999.99 from the lottery and it brought back some weird memories about the way that juveniles think. Ali G is a fictional juvenile-acting guy who likes to dress as a gangster and is played by Sasha Baron Cohen.

Somebody's message board started today (Thursday) and is about a study of Scientific Literacy such as the percentage of Americans who believe that the Sun orbits the Earth or don't believe in Evolution:
http://www.purdueonline.com/showthread.php?t=7606

TheLegendaryNAS

Thank you. I'm glad someone here can understand my thinking.

PurdueDoubleE

I think everyone here knows about Pastafarianism. It's the #1 go-to joke for arrogant atheists everywhere.

As for the rest of your post, I'm aware of the similarities among various religious stories, and how previous civilizations may have influenced Christian writings. I don't think that offers conclusive proof that any or all of those stories are false. Many stories were spread by word of mouth thousands of years ago, and it's entirely possible for certain events to become distorted and varied among different civilizations who speak different languages. Either they are all fictional stories which have jumped around from one people to another, or they are examples of actual events being told by different cultures and becoming varied over time.

PurdueDoubleE

If that really is "your" thinking, why not say some of this stuff yourself, instead of waiting for someone else to come along and add some actual substance to your arguments, and then claim that that's what you meant all along?

TheLegendaryNAS

Because I didn't *think* I'd have to. Would you like me to put a footnote somewhere about how something isn't really true when I make a generalized joke?

stathmk

OK. I typed "...arrogant Creationists..." in my text and you typed "...arrogant Atheists" in your text. OK. However, arrogant Atheists aren't everywhere. I don't know you, and you weren't at the spaghetti dinner that I know of, but the spaghetti dinner was neither pro nor con. Individuals from both sides of the issue got to speak. The guy who was my floor counselor from last year said there that he believes in Intelligent Design.

You said that it's the #1 go-to joke for arrogant Atheists. How would you know if it’s the number one joke since you don't read minds?

I will get back to the Intelligent Design stuff in a little while. I was looking at the web site of Barnes and Noble or Amazon for "Godless: The Church of Liberalism by Ann Coulter." I'm not saying just yet whether I usually vote Republican or Democrat, but Ann Coulter has some creepy quotes. I make fun of Conservative Ann Coulter and Liberal Michael Moore. I've never read the entire book yet, but I've heard that there are 2 or 3 chapters where she attacks Darwinism. I should check out this book sometime just to see how bad it is. In somebody's review on Barnes and Noble or Amazon, he or she complains about Coulter's attacks on Darwinism mentioning that Coulter stops short of saying that the Earth is 6,000 years old. After he/she says that Coulter indicated that such-and-such person believes in Darwinism, the reviewer went on to say something to the effect of, "So what? The September 11th hijackers believed in Intelligent Design..."

My point isn't about Coulter as much as my point is that Muslims believe in Intelligent Design. Didn’t you indicate that you believe in Intelligent Design or Creationism?

So PurdueDoubleE, I suppose that you have Christian ancestry instead of Muslim ancestry. However, I have Christian ancestry. You typed "arrogant Atheists" when you sound arrogant yourself because you keep on having to link to Muslim monitoring web sites, and you've taken your bias of Muslims a little bit too far without mentioning that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all believe in Intelligent Design. It's just whether they believe that the Intelligent Designer favors a middle-easterner named Mohammed, Jesus, or Moses. Take your pick. Whichever one you choose, your role model is a bearded middle-easterner.

You kept on posting the picture of the Muslim protester with the sign of, "Behead those who say Islam is violent;" but you typed that Atheists are arrogant! If you had posted the picture only two or three times along with those 2 other Muslim monitoring links then I wouldn't think that you're arrogant or discriminating. However, you post it again, again, and again. Whether a man is killed by a Christian madman like Andrea Yates, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, or the Lutheran or Catholic Hitler, he’s just as dead as he'd be if killed by a Muslim madman. However, I'm not trying to make light of the victims of Hitler or middle-eastern conflicts. Middle-easterners believe in Intelligent Design.

I don’t know if you believe in Noah’s Ark, but I don’t believe in it. God must be pro-choice because of the millions of babies and millions of pregnant women killed in Noah’s flood.

Your previous posts have shown you don't like Darwinists or Muslims. It sounds like we're going to have to stay far away from you since you're sounding as if you don't like other cultures.

PurdueDoubleE

Wow... that post was really all over the place, but I'll respond to this:



I know that you don't frequent message boards often, but those things are my avatar and my signature. They appear next to EVERY post I make, automatically. And my avatar isn't exactly "arrogant", it's more or less a real sign made by a real Muslim (the actual text read "Behead those who insult Islam"), and it is representative of the views of about 100-120 million people around the world.



The only difference here (other than the fact that Hitler was NOT a Christian, despite what sound bytes he fed to the German Catholic base to gain their favor) is that you can actually list these "Christian madmen" by name, since there are so few. Muslim madmen number in the millions, and kill people literally every single day.

This is all getting way off topic though. My initial comments referred to the fact that there most definitely are many atheists (some of which frequent this board) who are in fact very arrogant and elitist in their non-religious views. People who dare to believe in any supernatural reality are looked down upon as backward, redneck, inbred morons by those people, and that kind of smug arrogance is not returned by the Creationists.